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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20613</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I believe the four or more stock trades rule is universal because other stock brokers enforce this as well.  TradeKing is the only one that actually sends you an email ahead of time warning you though so I would actually give them credit in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I believe the four or more stock trades rule is universal because other stock brokers enforce this as well.  TradeKing is the only one that actually sends you an email ahead of time warning you though so I would actually give them credit in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20610</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I can see why tradeking wouldn&#039;t be for everyone. I just opened an account based on positive reviews, but after funding it I got this email:

&quot;Customers are considered as engaging in Pattern Day Trading if they execute four (4) or more stock or options day trades within a five day period in a margin account. That is buying and selling (opening and closing) a position in the same business day.

TRADEKING DOES NOT PROMOTE DAY TRADING. If a customer engages in day trading, the following rules apply.&quot;

Then it goes on to say that if you get this dreaded designation, you can&#039;t trade without $25,000 in your account.

Now, I don&#039;t know that I would actually make that many day trades, but it&#039;s possible, and I had no idea that limitation existed. My guess is that a frequent trader might want to check out another service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I can see why tradeking wouldn&#8217;t be for everyone. I just opened an account based on positive reviews, but after funding it I got this email:</p>
<p>&#8220;Customers are considered as engaging in Pattern Day Trading if they execute four (4) or more stock or options day trades within a five day period in a margin account. That is buying and selling (opening and closing) a position in the same business day.</p>
<p>TRADEKING DOES NOT PROMOTE DAY TRADING. If a customer engages in day trading, the following rules apply.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then it goes on to say that if you get this dreaded designation, you can&#8217;t trade without $25,000 in your account.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know that I would actually make that many day trades, but it&#8217;s possible, and I had no idea that limitation existed. My guess is that a frequent trader might want to check out another service.</p>
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		<title>By: Jes</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20513</link>
		<dc:creator>Jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TradeKing was the first discount broker I used, and I traded with them for over 2 years, but I abandoned ship this year and went to a much faster, less expensive broker. You might find it odd that I&#039;m calling TradeKing&#039;s commissions expensive, but compared to the broker I switched to, they are. 

If you&#039;re new to trading, a buy-and-hold investor, or a very casual trader who opens and closes positions only a few times a month, then TradeKing is not so bad. They do have a decent collection of trading tools (mostly for options traders) as well as some helpful research and analysis sections on their site. But majority of these tools and information is accessible elsewhere on the web for free anyway. There&#039;s also a discussion forum on their site, but majority of the discussion on their boards was never too useful in my opinion. The status of your orders and daily trading activity is listed on their main page, along with your positions. It&#039;s fairly basic and simple...pretty good for retail and novice investors who casually trade.

On the other hand, for those of you who trade frequently and are active traders throughout each week like me, TradeKing&#039;s platform is terrible in my opinion. Every vital trading screen is laid out on separate web pages. You really have to open up multiple web pages from TradeKing&#039;s site at the same time if you&#039;re planning on trying to make quick moves. To make a trade, you have to wait for a web page to load, fill out the fields, and then submit the trade. You can keep clicking on a refresh button on the bottom of the order page to see a realtime bid and ask of the security you&#039;re trading, but that&#039;s about it.  Then once the trade is placed, you have to wait for another page to load to see confirmation. Then you have to either go to an orders screen, or back to the main page to check on the status of your order. It&#039;s all on separate pages and becomes very annoying at times...instead of all being in one spot. But the fun doesn&#039;t stop there. In the event that you want to cancel or edit a trade, there&#039;s no quick 1-2-3 method for doing so from any particular page either. You have to go to your order, and then wait for another web page to load and then make your changes. Their web-based charts are mediocre as well...you&#039;re better off using Google&#039;s charts in my opinion.

While it&#039;s true that we live in the broadband era where loading pages takes mere seconds, but when you&#039;re caught in the heat of the moment, the ability to edit and/or cancel your trades on TradeKing&#039;s web based platform is far slower compared to other web based platforms from other brokers. And this has cost me money before...more than once. I know it&#039;s unfair to compare a web based platform to a streaming java based platform, but there are other brokers out there who also use web based platforms too, and they are far more efficient than what you get with TradeKing. 

Speaking of streaming platforms, TradeKing does actually offer one for real time quotes, but you have to make 25 or more trades or more per month or they don&#039;t allow you to access it. That&#039;s pretty disappointing when real time quotes are basically free these days. But the thing that is truly disappointing about their streaming platform is that TradeKing doesn&#039;t let you make trades straight off of the platform since it&#039;s provided by a third party. This means that while you can use the streaming platform for getting real time information, when you click buy or sell from the streaming platform, you are sent back TradeKing&#039;s web site for making the actual trades. Again, for a lot of traders, this isn&#039;t a big deal. But after 2 years of trading on TradeKing, it did become a big deal for me. I wasted a lot of time waiting for cancels and edits to go through while trying to catch the best price on positions I was trying to enter and exit, and missed them several times. In fact, the final trade I made with TradeKing that caused me to give up on the broker, was one where I was trying to get myself into an options position right before the stock exploded at open, but since there was no way to quickly edit the quantity of contracts and price, I ended up getting into the trade at a significantly higher price than I could have, and only ended up making 30% on that trade instead of double my money. That was the last straw for me. I don&#039;t know...maybe it&#039;s just because of the way my trading style evolved during this recession, but I completely gave up on not having a quick 1-2-3 trading platform.

One last thing. I believe the reason why most people switch or use TradeKing is because of their low price commissions. This was initially the reason why I chose them. The $4.95 they charge for each stock trade is not bad, and neither is .65 cent per contract for options trading. That may sound pretty inexpensive, but the broker I moved to charges $2.95 for stock trades and a FLAT RATE of $9.95 for options trades, regardless of the number of contracts you buy or sell, which is a lot better than TradeKing&#039;s .65 per contract rate, especially when you trade a large quantity of option contracts like I do. 

If you&#039;re really looking for the lowest commissions, Optionshouse beats TradeKing hands down, and their web based platform is much faster and more responsive. Trademonster is also a cheaper broker for options contracts, as they only charge .50 per contract, and their web platform streams every piece of information on the screen in real time as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TradeKing was the first discount broker I used, and I traded with them for over 2 years, but I abandoned ship this year and went to a much faster, less expensive broker. You might find it odd that I&#8217;m calling TradeKing&#8217;s commissions expensive, but compared to the broker I switched to, they are. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re new to trading, a buy-and-hold investor, or a very casual trader who opens and closes positions only a few times a month, then TradeKing is not so bad. They do have a decent collection of trading tools (mostly for options traders) as well as some helpful research and analysis sections on their site. But majority of these tools and information is accessible elsewhere on the web for free anyway. There&#8217;s also a discussion forum on their site, but majority of the discussion on their boards was never too useful in my opinion. The status of your orders and daily trading activity is listed on their main page, along with your positions. It&#8217;s fairly basic and simple&#8230;pretty good for retail and novice investors who casually trade.</p>
<p>On the other hand, for those of you who trade frequently and are active traders throughout each week like me, TradeKing&#8217;s platform is terrible in my opinion. Every vital trading screen is laid out on separate web pages. You really have to open up multiple web pages from TradeKing&#8217;s site at the same time if you&#8217;re planning on trying to make quick moves. To make a trade, you have to wait for a web page to load, fill out the fields, and then submit the trade. You can keep clicking on a refresh button on the bottom of the order page to see a realtime bid and ask of the security you&#8217;re trading, but that&#8217;s about it.  Then once the trade is placed, you have to wait for another page to load to see confirmation. Then you have to either go to an orders screen, or back to the main page to check on the status of your order. It&#8217;s all on separate pages and becomes very annoying at times&#8230;instead of all being in one spot. But the fun doesn&#8217;t stop there. In the event that you want to cancel or edit a trade, there&#8217;s no quick 1-2-3 method for doing so from any particular page either. You have to go to your order, and then wait for another web page to load and then make your changes. Their web-based charts are mediocre as well&#8230;you&#8217;re better off using Google&#8217;s charts in my opinion.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that we live in the broadband era where loading pages takes mere seconds, but when you&#8217;re caught in the heat of the moment, the ability to edit and/or cancel your trades on TradeKing&#8217;s web based platform is far slower compared to other web based platforms from other brokers. And this has cost me money before&#8230;more than once. I know it&#8217;s unfair to compare a web based platform to a streaming java based platform, but there are other brokers out there who also use web based platforms too, and they are far more efficient than what you get with TradeKing. </p>
<p>Speaking of streaming platforms, TradeKing does actually offer one for real time quotes, but you have to make 25 or more trades or more per month or they don&#8217;t allow you to access it. That&#8217;s pretty disappointing when real time quotes are basically free these days. But the thing that is truly disappointing about their streaming platform is that TradeKing doesn&#8217;t let you make trades straight off of the platform since it&#8217;s provided by a third party. This means that while you can use the streaming platform for getting real time information, when you click buy or sell from the streaming platform, you are sent back TradeKing&#8217;s web site for making the actual trades. Again, for a lot of traders, this isn&#8217;t a big deal. But after 2 years of trading on TradeKing, it did become a big deal for me. I wasted a lot of time waiting for cancels and edits to go through while trying to catch the best price on positions I was trying to enter and exit, and missed them several times. In fact, the final trade I made with TradeKing that caused me to give up on the broker, was one where I was trying to get myself into an options position right before the stock exploded at open, but since there was no way to quickly edit the quantity of contracts and price, I ended up getting into the trade at a significantly higher price than I could have, and only ended up making 30% on that trade instead of double my money. That was the last straw for me. I don&#8217;t know&#8230;maybe it&#8217;s just because of the way my trading style evolved during this recession, but I completely gave up on not having a quick 1-2-3 trading platform.</p>
<p>One last thing. I believe the reason why most people switch or use TradeKing is because of their low price commissions. This was initially the reason why I chose them. The $4.95 they charge for each stock trade is not bad, and neither is .65 cent per contract for options trading. That may sound pretty inexpensive, but the broker I moved to charges $2.95 for stock trades and a FLAT RATE of $9.95 for options trades, regardless of the number of contracts you buy or sell, which is a lot better than TradeKing&#8217;s .65 per contract rate, especially when you trade a large quantity of option contracts like I do. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really looking for the lowest commissions, Optionshouse beats TradeKing hands down, and their web based platform is much faster and more responsive. Trademonster is also a cheaper broker for options contracts, as they only charge .50 per contract, and their web platform streams every piece of information on the screen in real time as well.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20422</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point about withdrawals.  You cannot withdraw money tied up in a trade that&#039;s still under settlement obviously, which people often forget.  This is the same with every broker though so there shouldn&#039;t be a problem.

Also, I&#039;d say that if any broker gives problems about withdraw money, they will have no more business as almost every customer needs to withdraw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point about withdrawals.  You cannot withdraw money tied up in a trade that&#8217;s still under settlement obviously, which people often forget.  This is the same with every broker though so there shouldn&#8217;t be a problem.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d say that if any broker gives problems about withdraw money, they will have no more business as almost every customer needs to withdraw.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20421</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Yes, the account balance is in real time.
2) I&#039;ve had no problems with withdrawing money, but I have never taken my whole account balance out (and don&#039;t plan to) either so I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve fully tested every possibility of how anyone can withdraw money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Yes, the account balance is in real time.<br />
2) I&#8217;ve had no problems with withdrawing money, but I have never taken my whole account balance out (and don&#8217;t plan to) either so I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve fully tested every possibility of how anyone can withdraw money.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20406</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your comprehensive review of Tradeking, but have 2 questions.
1)Are the account balances in real time?
2) Any problem with withdrawls? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your comprehensive review of Tradeking, but have 2 questions.<br />
1)Are the account balances in real time?<br />
2) Any problem with withdrawls? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20378</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are welcome and good luck with TradeKing.  The $50 promotions they are running should help get you started and also to start trying out their system.

Be careful with the stock recommendations because following stock tips is another easy way to lose big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are welcome and good luck with TradeKing.  The $50 promotions they are running should help get you started and also to start trying out their system.</p>
<p>Be careful with the stock recommendations because following stock tips is another easy way to lose big.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL H.</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20377</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much. I truly appreciate the help and your time. I like to take some risk but not quite into the penny stock territory yet... I think that I will open a TK account and only put a little in at first like you said. It makes sense. You&#039;re the man. Hope all is well and happy/profitable trading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much. I truly appreciate the help and your time. I like to take some risk but not quite into the penny stock territory yet&#8230; I think that I will open a TK account and only put a little in at first like you said. It makes sense. You&#8217;re the man. Hope all is well and happy/profitable trading!</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20375</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as you don&#039;t go into penny stocks territory, TK is fine.

You can buy and sell stocks on the same day as long as you have enough cash to settle the trade (remember it takes 3 business days for each stock to settle).  This is the same with every broker.  If you have a margin account, there&#039;s more wiggle room.

You can also put in trailing stops and stop limit orders like you do with TD Ameritrade.

Your first time jitters is more reason to use a little bit of money to try tradeking before you transfer everything over.  Once you are really comfortable, then move your assets over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as you don&#8217;t go into penny stocks territory, TK is fine.</p>
<p>You can buy and sell stocks on the same day as long as you have enough cash to settle the trade (remember it takes 3 business days for each stock to settle).  This is the same with every broker.  If you have a margin account, there&#8217;s more wiggle room.</p>
<p>You can also put in trailing stops and stop limit orders like you do with TD Ameritrade.</p>
<p>Your first time jitters is more reason to use a little bit of money to try tradeking before you transfer everything over.  Once you are really comfortable, then move your assets over.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL H.</title>
		<link>http://moneyning.com/review/tradeking-review/comment-page-1/#comment-20374</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for the quick response and good advice. It definitely makes sense to make an account and get to learn everything before I transfer all my assets. Thanks also for the warning with trading. I know that a lot of people lose a lot of money that they can&#039;t afford to lose, but I definitely only use money that I can live without. I&#039;m happy you&#039;re so willing to take the time to help people out like me and am feeling more confident about TK after hearing from someone who likes it. If you don&#039;t mind me asking, what kind of trading do you mostly do with TK? (Active trading, Buy and Hold, etc.)

It seems like there are negative comments towards TK&#039;s workings on another review I read, but after looking at your posts on this site it makes TK seem perfectly fine. Maybe everyone was trying to do a different type of trading and TK wasn&#039;t good for it?? 

Say I found a stock for around 10$ a share and bought about 200 shares worth and wanted to hold for 3-4 days or more, but maybe even 1 day if it went up a profitable percentage. Would TK allow me to sell that stock the next day without any problems and still only charge the 9.90.. 4.95 for both buy and sell (is that right)?  Also are you allowed with TK to set &quot;automatic-stops&quot; on your orders? Something where if that stock started dropping from 10$ I could set it to automatically sell if it fell down to 8$ even if it kept dropping to 6$? I hope that makes sense! 

I have done this with the Ameritrade account and it works great, it&#039;s just rough being that they take 20$ for every turn-around, (especially where I&#039;m not playing with much money). I get regular tips on companies to look at that more than not go up within a few weeks and wanted to play around with it a little more. Recently I&#039;ve been able to make about 100$ after a few days or a week with how I&#039;ve been buying and selling, (not counting the 20$ hit from commisions) I just don&#039;t want to run into a headache of problems for the chance of lower commision rates, but would love it if out of that 100$ gain I could see 90$ in profit vs. 80$ which has got me looking at TK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the quick response and good advice. It definitely makes sense to make an account and get to learn everything before I transfer all my assets. Thanks also for the warning with trading. I know that a lot of people lose a lot of money that they can&#8217;t afford to lose, but I definitely only use money that I can live without. I&#8217;m happy you&#8217;re so willing to take the time to help people out like me and am feeling more confident about TK after hearing from someone who likes it. If you don&#8217;t mind me asking, what kind of trading do you mostly do with TK? (Active trading, Buy and Hold, etc.)</p>
<p>It seems like there are negative comments towards TK&#8217;s workings on another review I read, but after looking at your posts on this site it makes TK seem perfectly fine. Maybe everyone was trying to do a different type of trading and TK wasn&#8217;t good for it?? </p>
<p>Say I found a stock for around 10$ a share and bought about 200 shares worth and wanted to hold for 3-4 days or more, but maybe even 1 day if it went up a profitable percentage. Would TK allow me to sell that stock the next day without any problems and still only charge the 9.90.. 4.95 for both buy and sell (is that right)?  Also are you allowed with TK to set &#8220;automatic-stops&#8221; on your orders? Something where if that stock started dropping from 10$ I could set it to automatically sell if it fell down to 8$ even if it kept dropping to 6$? I hope that makes sense! </p>
<p>I have done this with the Ameritrade account and it works great, it&#8217;s just rough being that they take 20$ for every turn-around, (especially where I&#8217;m not playing with much money). I get regular tips on companies to look at that more than not go up within a few weeks and wanted to play around with it a little more. Recently I&#8217;ve been able to make about 100$ after a few days or a week with how I&#8217;ve been buying and selling, (not counting the 20$ hit from commisions) I just don&#8217;t want to run into a headache of problems for the chance of lower commision rates, but would love it if out of that 100$ gain I could see 90$ in profit vs. 80$ which has got me looking at TK.</p>
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