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	<title>Comments on: Doubling The Mortgage Deduction to Help the Troubled Economy and Housing Market</title>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - 

A few thoughts ... 

1. If you can&#039;t afford to pay your mortgage, doubling the deduction won&#039;t make a difference. It also doesn&#039;t do renters a lick of good, since property owners aren&#039;t likely to pass that savings through. 

2. Tightened lending standards are of course a necessity ... but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s quite that simple. 

3. The people in the lowest income tax brackets don&#039;t pay income taxes, so cutting the payroll tax in half doesn&#039;t do any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; </p>
<p>A few thoughts &#8230; </p>
<p>1. If you can&#8217;t afford to pay your mortgage, doubling the deduction won&#8217;t make a difference. It also doesn&#8217;t do renters a lick of good, since property owners aren&#8217;t likely to pass that savings through. </p>
<p>2. Tightened lending standards are of course a necessity &#8230; but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s quite that simple. </p>
<p>3. The people in the lowest income tax brackets don&#8217;t pay income taxes, so cutting the payroll tax in half doesn&#8217;t do any good.</p>
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		<title>By: todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a three step plan for fixing this mess...

1) Double the home mortgage deduction for three years.  This would lead to a decrease in forclosures as homeowners have double the incentive to pay their mortgage.
2)  Tighten lending standards to avoid future so-called sub-prime mortgage fiascos. Banks and other lending institutions are already doing this.  
3) Cut in half the payroll tax for three years.  This lets the lowest income earners keep more of their income which they will use to pay their mortgages.   This also allows renters an easier time of paying their rent.  

Does this cost more than the 700B for TARP I and the 800B for the &quot;stimulus&quot; package?   I dont know.  Probably not.  Besides, it would actually work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a three step plan for fixing this mess&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Double the home mortgage deduction for three years.  This would lead to a decrease in forclosures as homeowners have double the incentive to pay their mortgage.<br />
2)  Tighten lending standards to avoid future so-called sub-prime mortgage fiascos. Banks and other lending institutions are already doing this.<br />
3) Cut in half the payroll tax for three years.  This lets the lowest income earners keep more of their income which they will use to pay their mortgages.   This also allows renters an easier time of paying their rent.  </p>
<p>Does this cost more than the 700B for TARP I and the 800B for the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; package?   I dont know.  Probably not.  Besides, it would actually work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ditech Home Loans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditech Home Loans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excessive borrowing on a mortgage should not be a problem, because borrowers would still have to qualify at the mortgage note rate, not the effective tax rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excessive borrowing on a mortgage should not be a problem, because borrowers would still have to qualify at the mortgage note rate, not the effective tax rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really think our government is going to listen to the people. I have yet to see one thing the government has done yet besides weaken our dollar. Essentially making us all less wealthy.

I really do like the idea of getting ideas from the people, I am sure there a lot smarter people in our society than what is in our government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really think our government is going to listen to the people. I have yet to see one thing the government has done yet besides weaken our dollar. Essentially making us all less wealthy.</p>
<p>I really do like the idea of getting ideas from the people, I am sure there a lot smarter people in our society than what is in our government.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Kepler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Kepler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marci, unfortunately, I can&#039;t see this tax adjustment ever making it into the commercial sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marci, unfortunately, I can&#8217;t see this tax adjustment ever making it into the commercial sector.</p>
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		<title>By: CD Rates Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD Rates Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica, I&#039;ve got to get the kids so forgive me if this is brief and not well organized.

I read two chapters, &quot;The Broken Window&quot; and the following one regarding Destruction&quot;  

My problem is it seems to portray a zero-some game and we should just live in mud huts.  Of course I should read the whole thing, because I&#039;m sure other ideas come into play in other chapters

Got to one.  But I do want to finish this discussion.  cd :O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erica, I&#8217;ve got to get the kids so forgive me if this is brief and not well organized.</p>
<p>I read two chapters, &#8220;The Broken Window&#8221; and the following one regarding Destruction&#8221;  </p>
<p>My problem is it seems to portray a zero-some game and we should just live in mud huts.  Of course I should read the whole thing, because I&#8217;m sure other ideas come into play in other chapters</p>
<p>Got to one.  But I do want to finish this discussion.  cd :O)</p>
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		<title>By: marci</title>
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		<dc:creator>marci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems like one of the biggest problems with the USA economy right now is buying so much on credit ... too much on credit.

In order for the economy to become more stable, there should be more people heading towards that debt-free status - ie, nothing on credit, nothing owed.

I think the extra tax break would actually DISCOURAGE people from paying off their homes.  Not a good idea in my book as it doesn&#039;t promote that free of debtness that the economy needs to recover.

So, since my home is free and clear, if I go borrow the money as a home equity loan, put the money into savings and withdraw it for the paybacks, will I be able to recoup all the money back with the additional interest deduction?   That&#039;s the only way it would do me any good :)   Could I make money at this?  LOL!  

Re: Renters - theoretically, they should get a break in lower taxes IF the landlord would pass thru the reduction in expenses.... however, that might not happen in all cases :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like one of the biggest problems with the USA economy right now is buying so much on credit &#8230; too much on credit.</p>
<p>In order for the economy to become more stable, there should be more people heading towards that debt-free status &#8211; ie, nothing on credit, nothing owed.</p>
<p>I think the extra tax break would actually DISCOURAGE people from paying off their homes.  Not a good idea in my book as it doesn&#8217;t promote that free of debtness that the economy needs to recover.</p>
<p>So, since my home is free and clear, if I go borrow the money as a home equity loan, put the money into savings and withdraw it for the paybacks, will I be able to recoup all the money back with the additional interest deduction?   That&#8217;s the only way it would do me any good <img src='http://moneyning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    Could I make money at this?  LOL!  </p>
<p>Re: Renters &#8211; theoretically, they should get a break in lower taxes IF the landlord would pass thru the reduction in expenses&#8230;. however, that might not happen in all cases <img src='http://moneyning.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erica Douglass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica Douglass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CD Rates Blog: For an excellent rebuttal of your point, read about the &quot;broken window fallacy&quot; at http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Hazlitt00.pdf or Google for it and find the link on mises.org. (Homeownership doesn&#039;t help the economy that way, either. Another common fallacy.)

@Kathryn: You wrote &quot;To get more money circulating, we have to have more money circulating.&quot; 

To get more money circulating, we need to let fractional reserve lending work and encourage people to save, not to deficit spend (which is what this would do.) Our government has dropped interest rates to effectively 0, once again encouraging people to spend instead of save. But every dollar that is saved has at least as much positive effect as a dollar spent. That&#039;s why this won&#039;t help. Encouraging saving, and letting lending work properly instead of force-feeding banks money, is the only thing that will help us.

-Erica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CD Rates Blog: For an excellent rebuttal of your point, read about the &#8220;broken window fallacy&#8221; at <a href="http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Hazlitt00.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hacer.org/pdf/Hazlitt00.pdf</a> or Google for it and find the link on mises.org. (Homeownership doesn&#8217;t help the economy that way, either. Another common fallacy.)</p>
<p>@Kathryn: You wrote &#8220;To get more money circulating, we have to have more money circulating.&#8221; </p>
<p>To get more money circulating, we need to let fractional reserve lending work and encourage people to save, not to deficit spend (which is what this would do.) Our government has dropped interest rates to effectively 0, once again encouraging people to spend instead of save. But every dollar that is saved has at least as much positive effect as a dollar spent. That&#8217;s why this won&#8217;t help. Encouraging saving, and letting lending work properly instead of force-feeding banks money, is the only thing that will help us.</p>
<p>-Erica</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an inventive idea! I don&#039;t mind if the mortgage interest credit is doubled across the board and it&#039;s not because we live in a rich neighborhood. Our house cost $82.5K at closing. I think it&#039;s a good idea  because it is something that actually helps people rather than corporations (yes, I know, corporations can own property as well ... that&#039;s not the point). To get more money circulating, we have to have more money circulating. The Fed printing more money only dilutes the value of the money in all our pockets. This has the potential to boost homeowner&#039;s and the economy in a very real way. Would I double the mortgage interest credit allowed forever? No, but five years would do a lot to help those on my block ... maybe even yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an inventive idea! I don&#8217;t mind if the mortgage interest credit is doubled across the board and it&#8217;s not because we live in a rich neighborhood. Our house cost $82.5K at closing. I think it&#8217;s a good idea  because it is something that actually helps people rather than corporations (yes, I know, corporations can own property as well &#8230; that&#8217;s not the point). To get more money circulating, we have to have more money circulating. The Fed printing more money only dilutes the value of the money in all our pockets. This has the potential to boost homeowner&#8217;s and the economy in a very real way. Would I double the mortgage interest credit allowed forever? No, but five years would do a lot to help those on my block &#8230; maybe even yours.</p>
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		<title>By: CD Rates Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>CD Rates Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the surface it sounds nice, but fraught with too many dangers that have been covered by others.  In addition, what can be given, can be taken.  So let&#039;s say you get double for 3-years and you become use to the lower taxes.  Then in year 4, your taxes go up.  The current environment has proven that the majority of people don&#039;t think that far ahead.  The majority spends the extra instead of saving.  That needs to change.  A good point that Erica pointed out.

Erica, you mentioned that Homeownership doesn&#039;t directly spur the economy.  I believe you may be missing the money that title companies, brokers, and banks make for one.  Secondly, depending on the age of the house it helps, Hardware, Blinds, Landscaping, Appliances, Bedding, Paint, etc.  

cd :O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the surface it sounds nice, but fraught with too many dangers that have been covered by others.  In addition, what can be given, can be taken.  So let&#8217;s say you get double for 3-years and you become use to the lower taxes.  Then in year 4, your taxes go up.  The current environment has proven that the majority of people don&#8217;t think that far ahead.  The majority spends the extra instead of saving.  That needs to change.  A good point that Erica pointed out.</p>
<p>Erica, you mentioned that Homeownership doesn&#8217;t directly spur the economy.  I believe you may be missing the money that title companies, brokers, and banks make for one.  Secondly, depending on the age of the house it helps, Hardware, Blinds, Landscaping, Appliances, Bedding, Paint, etc.  </p>
<p>cd :O)</p>
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